Remember, a police state is a safe state


Why not just have the police hold court right there at the scene and save all the costs of judges, juries and not bother with the Bill of Rights. All the great Progressive regimes of the last century worked that way. Th USSR, The Third Reich, China and now Venezuela. Good company Vermont.

This entire article is HERE.

Vermont gun confiscation bill heads to House floor

A bill that would allow police to remove guns from a domestic violence situation without due process passed out of committee and is headed to the House floor.

On Wednesday, lawmakers of the House Judiciary Committee approved H. 422 by a 7-4 party-line vote, with seven Democrats voting in favor and four Republicans voting against.

Chris Bradley, president of the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, says the bill could face numerous constitutional challenges.

“I am especially concerned about the Second Amendment Article 16 rights of the victim,” he said.

If police are allowed to remove weapons from the scene of a domestic dispute, Bradley says, that could inadvertently leave the victim defenseless.

“From personal experience, I can tell you, you cannot remove all weapons, and you will leave the vulnerable with no means of self-defense,” domestic violence survivor Estella Leach wrote as part of her written testimony to the committee. “A restraining order is meaningless against someone who is intent on retribution.”

Bradley added that the bill could also be challenged on other grounds, including Fourth Amendment protection against illegal search and seizure. The bill has seen numerous changes regarding the weapons an officer can confiscate during a domestic violence situation.

“They moved away from trying to define ‘weapons’ and finally just threw in the towel and said, ‘Well let’s just use “firearms” ’ because that’s what they were after all along,” Bradley said. [snip]

Supporters’ responses
Committee Vice Chair Rep. Charles Conquest, D-Wells River, said that the bill has been “revised in a way as narrow as we can” to maintain its constitutionality while ensuring a victim’s safety. [snip]

While some studies make a correlation between high rates of gun ownership and homicides against women, gun rights advocates note that statistics for Vermont published by the Vermont Network Against Domestic and Sexual Violence conflict with statistics from the FBI and the Vermont Crime Information Center.

The conflicting data may be owed to the fact that the Vermont Network Against Domestic and Sexual Violence counts suicides as domestic violence homicides, even in cases where domestic violence was reported many years prior to the suicide.

State Rep. Maxine Grad, D-Moretown, the chair of the House Judiciary Committee and main sponsor of H.422, expressed satisfaction with the committee’s work.

“This is a very necessary ability for law enforcement that does not currently exist,” she said. [snip]

Vermont has what is called a “Constitutional Carry” which means no permits or government papers to carry a concealed weapon or carry openly. This is the bane of the Gun Control Crowd. Given the low rate of gun violence in Vermont all of their arguments about unfettered guns in the hands of the population fall flat.
From personal experience, I called 9-1-1 and got put on hold. So much for police protection.

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